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These are tropes that I still see actual human men falling into now, years later, in my social media feeds and in my physical life. Just look at the language they use, speculating about what they might find once they reach Herland — so imperious, so presumptuous:. Your peaceful sisterhoods were all celibate, Jeff, and under vows of obedience.

What they find, of course, confounds all of those expectations. Herland is a paradise: The nation functions, essentially, as one cohesive family unit albeit a family with three million members. Everyone is valued, everyone is cared for, everyone is a vegetarian, and everyone wears flattering but unisex woven tunics. Technology, education and art all flourish.

The brazen suggestion that a world peopled only with women men phased out even from procreation would be not only functional, but a flawless, gleaming, quasi-socialist utopia is an exhilarating bit of constructive hyperbole. Nobody thought that was strange. Since we are generous, we will settle for equality. Being a product of its time, Herland is also excruciatingly antiquated — rife with gender essentialism, white supremacy and anti-abortion rhetoric. Gilman was born in , a fiercely independent firebrand who chafed against the 19th-century expectations of her gender.

So what is the utility of Herland, as a feminist text with so many decidedly un-feminist ideas? When one realizes that it is meant to be taken at face value - well, to say that it doesn't work quite as well is to understate the case. The plot is thin, the characters are flat, the prose is didactically limp, the improvements suggested are impractical and border on the dystopian. I found that the women seem to be devoid of significant differences in personality, while the three men exhibi This book works extremely well if one assumes it to be a satirical portrayal of extreme feminist idealism.

I found that the women seem to be devoid of significant differences in personality, while the three men exhibit clear differences in character.

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Surely that's the primary indication that the society described is unfeasible and ultimately amounts to nothing more than a ludicrous fantasy? Perhaps I have the benefit of retrospection in my position as a female living a fair number of years after near-global women's suffrage, but, you know, I'm pretty certain that women are as prone to incompetence and other negative personality traits as men are.

The suspension of belief required is just too great, especially for a book intended to be a genuine critique of early 20th century society. I wrote this years ago; my opinion is now slightly more nuanced, but I have elected to leave this up. Not so sure why. As a digital memento of my youth probably. Sep 30, Pink rated it liked it. I think I've described it as HG Wells with feminism. My only real criticism is that it just ends. I wanted to know what happened next, but that's in the next book View all 3 comments. May 25, Melissa rated it really liked it Shelves: Very interesting early feminist novel about how a land of all woman might develop and how it might differ in both large and small ways from the world we know.

In this story 3 men discover this remote and new land, and spend some time learning its language and customs, while also teaching them ours, with varying degrees of acceptance depending on their personalities. Nov 23, Nikki rated it did not like it Shelves: Charlotte Perkins Gilman seems to have set out to portray a utopian, perfect society of women that shows up all the faults and contradictions of the contemporary world.

Unfortunately, that society seems so flat and lacking in individuality that I wouldn't want to be there. It also makes motherhood the pinnacle of a woman's being, something to long for. I'm female-bodied and apparently possessed of the various bits you'd expect given that. I really, r Herland is I really, really don't want children, and I'm not interested in motherhood in any way, let alone some sanctified, deified version of it.

It is, of course, very much of its time. For when she lived, Gilman was pretty liberal, with anti-racist views and so on. But her vision of what could be was limited by that and ends up seeming rather pathetic. Main thoughts - - love Charlotte Perkins Gilman and this doesn't change that. However, this was too much social commentary with not enough novel to make it lie flat. It crinkles, rubs, chafes. It becomes a bit of a trite form to write these thoughts down. Why not just write a manifesto, memoir, or essay? The idea was amazing and in the novel parts, it works. Writing was fabulous as I've come to expect from her.

She was progressive for the time though transphobic and heteronormative ideas prevail Main thoughts - - love Charlotte Perkins Gilman and this doesn't change that. She was progressive for the time though transphobic and heteronormative ideas prevail. This would have been an outstanding short story, but as is, the novel package makes it too long and strung out with political views that would have suited a different format.

Dec 24, Robert Greenberger rated it it was ok. I will be teaching Charlotte Perkins Gilman's "The Yellow Wallpaper" to my 11th graders next week, so when I learned the amazing CraftLit podcast was going to tackle Gilman's utopian novel, I decided to give it a listen. First of all, there's no traditional story. No real conflict or climax, no real rising action to speak of.

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Instead, a trio of male archetypes find a small land of woman. For the last years they have been cut off from the world and have succeeded entirely on their own, withou I will be teaching Charlotte Perkins Gilman's "The Yellow Wallpaper" to my 11th graders next week, so when I learned the amazing CraftLit podcast was going to tackle Gilman's utopian novel, I decided to give it a listen.

For the last years they have been cut off from the world and have succeeded entirely on their own, without men. By some miracle, the women developed parthenogenesis so no males were required to perpetuate the species. The three men become our gateway into this world of peace, plenty, and harmony.


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The trade off to the women appears to have been a loss of competition, sexual appetite, and sense of adventure. They find the men curious and study them but their society is so open that the men come to like their gilded cage and even fall in love. In reality, Gilman's novel was one of many such tracts designed to perpetuate a feminist point of view, very typical of the suffragette movement of the s and this dovetailed nicely with the early parts of Jill Lepore's The Secret History of Wonder Woman. The writing, like the women, is flat and not terribly interesting and the book's brunt ending leaves you dissatisfied.

I am certainly not going to read the two books completing the trilogy. What made the experience a sheer pleasure was the commentary from CraftLit host Heather Ordover and the collective comments from her rabid listeners. Feb 17, Layne rated it it was ok Shelves: This is the book that most of my currently-writing dissertation chapter is about.

It's about a utopian nation in Sough America populated entirely by women, who have mutated so that they reproduce asexually. These three male explorers decide to "discover" the land, and they get captured and educated in the superiority of Herland over "Ourland. Gilman had a lot of beefs This is the book that most of my currently-writing dissertation chapter is about.

Gilman had a lot of beefs with early twentieth century American society, and she kind of randomly lays them all out here. I love the three page totally serious section on how cats are better than dogs because they are more "female" pets. Also, there's quite a bit on what kind of gymnastics are best for babies. Obviously, it's not long on plot, but if you love the crazy, I would recommend it.

Mar 11, Heather Ordover rated it really liked it Shelves: In those lilnes you'll read, in reverse, the outline for Gilman's 12 chapter novel. Hers is a calm, focused refutation of his text, but in fiction form. Knowing that makes the book make SO much more sense! That, and going through it on the CraftLit podcast. Jun 12, Leah rated it it was ok Shelves: A world without Darcy Three young men are part of an expedition in some obscure unexplored corner of the planet when they hear rumours of a country where all the inhabitants are women.

But more importantly, they know that women are too silly and incompetent to run a whole country on their own. If the country exists at all, they de A world without Darcy If the country exists at all, they decide, the men must live elsewhere and visit for However, the prospect is tantalising — all those women must be pretty desperate for a bit of male company, what?

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So they decide to investigate The book starts off quite well, rather in the broad wink-wink tone of my introduction, full of male stereotypes of females, and incidentally managing to stereotype the three males pretty heavily at the same time. Then, unfortunately, they arrive in the country they dub Herland. Gilman even remarks at one point, in the voice of the male narrator, that nothing much actually happened to them during their stay, so presumably she was well aware of the narrative deficiencies of the book as a novel.

Pity she felt a glancing reference to them was sufficient. Because what I learned from this book is that women are perfect in every single way, excel at everything they do, and the only thing that causes misery, disease or turmoil in the world is men! With their cruelty and their grubbiness and their greed, and all that nasty, nasty sex business. Women build nicer houses in beautifully clean, well-ordered cities, and they never fight or quarrel or get unhappy.

They are naturally far, far better than men, because their capacity for motherhood makes them want to make the world a better place for their children. Unlike nasty men, who only see children as an unfortunate by-product of sex. The unfortunate thing about some strands of feminism, this included, is the tendency to go well beyond the desire for equality and harmony, towards replacing a world where women are subject to men with one where men are disparaged and despised by women.

But on the whole, I think most men are just bumbling along, behaving the way society has taught them, and most women are doing much the same. And most of us, of both genders, are trying to do better. The idea of a world with no men in it or no women is my idea of hell.

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Most of our art and ninety percent of our literature is in some way about the interaction of the sexes, even going back past Shakespeare and on to the Bible. Flirting is fun, as is the whole falling in love thing. In fact, I thought part of feminism was to get us away from the idea that women are incapable of thinking about anything except having babies and bringing them up, important roles though those are.

So some feminists may see this as a great feminist tract. I saw it as adding fuel to the worst of feminism — the kind that aims to replace patriarchy with matriarchy, where women rule and men become the subjects. Of the three men in the book, one is utterly convinced of male superiority and that women are primarily sex toys; one wants to worship at the feet of femininity; and the third is shown as rational, considering both sides of every argument.

He, the rational one, becomes convinced along the way of the innate superiority of women and realises that what all men really want to do is surrender to a mother figure. I kept expecting her to tell me how much I should tip restaurant staff. Interesting, if you want to have nightmares about a world with no quarrelling, no disputes, no politics, no ambition beyond motherhood and child-rearing; and worse — no Anne and Gilbert, no Jane and Mr Rochester, no Cathy and Heathcliff, no flirting, no sex, no dancing, and no Darcy!

View all 5 comments. Jun 24, Amanda rated it really liked it. I knew this was an Utopian novel going in. If you've followed any of my reviews for a while, you know that Utopian novels are not my favorites. I probably lean more towards Dystopian because that seems more realistic Am I jaded? Because I think I might be.

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I'm always up to listen to novels I normally wouldn't listen to if Heather Ordover from the Craftlit podcast is handling them. She goes out of her way to do research to complement and expand every book and it's a sheer pleasure to learn from I knew this was an Utopian novel going in. She goes out of her way to do research to complement and expand every book and it's a sheer pleasure to learn from her. If you aren't craft minded, it's ok too, she tells you at the start where the book talk starts.

It was from Heather that I learned this was a feminist utopian novel, although I was already figuring that out by the second chapter. This novel stirred up enough emotions and thoughts that, while it's not a favorite book, it's going to be one I recommend. Written in by the woman who brought us The Yellow Wallpaper another uncomfortable book but I still recommend , Charlotte Perkins Gilman. Think for a moment before we start the review about the rights women did NOT have back in Keep that in mind. Herland is a country of 3 million women, absolutely no men have lived here in over 2, years, and 3 men have decided to try and find this mythical land.

They land their aircraft in Herland and are promptly, but politely, taken as captives. The women of Herland do not harm the men. In fact, they want to teach them about their country and learn everything about theirs. They are secluded from the world, not by choice, but by nature. Van, Jeff and Terry are happy to tell them the good parts about America willfully choosing to leave out the undesirable parts.

In Herland, there is no crime, war, or domination. Every woman works together in harmony and raise their children to be good, upstanding citizens. Through parthenogenesis basically asexual reproduction the women of Herland have their children. They use this to "weed" out the undesirable behaviors. If a woman shows an inclination towards "bad" behavior, she isn't allowed to reproduce. In the book, not allowed to reproduce just means keeping her too busy to think about having children. Terry was a despicable character in that he is a male that I have encountered many many times.

Women are to be conquered and won and are to bend to what he wants. He is certainly in a sad place in Herland. Jeff feels women should be sheltered and protected There is some scorn when Jeff takes a basket from one of the women to carry "because women shouldn't carry things" and the women looks around at everything only women built and toiled over and is confused.

I'm with you, lady. Women have come a long way since the time this novel was written, but we still haven't achieved gender equality. Since , we have rights over our own bodies, for the most part, but still can't get the same respect or even the same pay as men. This is why the novel discomfited me. I wanted to punch Terry and Jeff, often, while listening to this. But I couldn't just think "Well, this was and we're completely equal now.

Here are some links that Heather played during the audio of the book. I loved what each one has to say about how much more there is to accomplish in order for the genders to be equal. I didn't shirk from the label of feminist before and I definitely embrace it now. Apr 03, Marsha rated it really liked it Shelves: Without being particularly preachy, she presents a world in which women do cooperate with each other, in a utopia of peace and harmony, and how calmly they deal with the men who blunder into their world after over a century of being without men at all. If there are weak spots in the novel, it is in terms of some of the characterizations of the women.

Perhaps this is to be expected in such a homogenized society. Whether her vision of an all-female society is possible is another matter. This is a piece of feminist literature that unfortunately shows its age in very unpleasant ways. From the "yayyyy, eugenics! There are some very funny moments, especially in the beginning, but not enough to overshad This is a piece of feminist literature that unfortunately shows its age in very unpleasant ways. There are some very funny moments, especially in the beginning, but not enough to overshadow the bad. Aug 18, Sandy rated it really liked it.

Charlotte Perkins Gilman's "Herland" is a lost-world fantasy in the Haggardian tradition with a decided twist: It functions primarily as a discourse on the supposed but not necessarily actual differences between the two sexes, and as a feminist screed in the utopian genre. Written in , the novel was initially serialized in the pages of Gilman's own monthly magazine, "The Forerunner," a publication whose main agenda was to further Gilman's ideas of feminism and socialism.

We are introduced to Charlotte Perkins Gilman's "Herland" is a lost-world fantasy in the Haggardian tradition with a decided twist: We are introduced to three very different types of men at the beginning of this story: Terry, a chauvinist kind of man's man with decidedly old-fashioned ideas concerning "women's place"; Jeff, a Galahad type of dreamy idealist, who's fond of putting women on top of proverbial pedestals; and our narrator, Vandyck, a level-headed sociologist.

The three discover a land of some 12, square miles on a plateau in some unnamed part of the world From the Trade Paperback edition.

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Charlotte Perkins Gilman, feminist, author, critic, and theorist, was born on July 3, , in Hartford, Connecticut. In she married Charles Walter Stetson, gave birth to a daughter the following year, and was subsequently overcome by bouts of depression,… More about Charlotte Perkins Gilman. As fascinating to women for what it omits entirely as for what it discovers and invents for us, it is a fast and invigorating read. Probably the most exciting portrayal is the strength of motherhood divorced from the nuclear family.

If the utopias a society produced are any index of its ills, then Herland nails our own. What a serendipitous discovery! It has also been, like that exploration of equality between the sexes that it projected, unavailable to the general reader. It is a joy to have it now in print.


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